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I'm going to catch holy hell for this one aren't I? Just before anyone rants at me, I want to note I do not support or condone the actions of Joseph Stalin, Stalinism etc, I still hold that the man was pretty twisted at times. Rather pointing out a logical fallacy the right wing always loves to play against anyone on the left, no matter if your a liberal, socialist, anarchist, communist or whatever and that is the "communists killed X number of people." arguement
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zath9 Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2014
Humans will give more when they have less and give less when they have more. Its a survival strategy that cannot be altered and thus all leadership will inherently be cruel given enough time to adjust to ommunism gives too much power to too few people and this shit happens. Ideology plays NO role in it; they are simply forms of power used to justify the cruelty.
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Shiki-Scarlet Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
ashkuff.com/blog/?p=1965

Just something worth considering, because that whole "all humans are evil" shit isn't really hard science.
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zath9 Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
I never said humans were evil, and there have been studies done on this stuff. It wasn't my opinion, just something I was taught in criminal psychology.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yep. No arguing with this logic. I might as well renounce my communist ways now.
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fredrikslicer Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2013
Agreed though I'm not a socialist (actually I usally describe myself as an anti-ideolog) but such arguments are silly at best
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ComradeSch Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I'm still far left, yet I hate Stalin and his policies. I actually link Stalin with the far RIGHT of socialism (Nazism), and thus, don't count him as a true Communist.
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Endivie11 Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
Actually this argument can be defeated when pointing out, that stalinism isn't communism(and should never be) The most annoying argument is: "Communism is not possible, because humans are greedy and selfish.(and of course, capitalism has nothing to do with this fact)" I hear that one a lot and Im suprised how much people know about human nature...
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Shiki-Scarlet Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I agree, I just like using it as a prime example of the "communists killed X number of people" fallacy.

As for everyone playing the appeal to nature card, I hold to the idea greed, corruption, and ignorance are not intrinsic human qualities but were rather drilled into us by the harsh primeval environment and later, by our obsolete social institutions.
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ByronicBeat Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Pol Pot wasn't a Marxist. He deliberately ignored Marx and in interviews even explicitly stated, "We don't have a line." He wasn't a Marxist-Leninist, he wasn't a Maoist. He was just an opportunist that used what ever label would get him foreign support. He tried to get Western Countries to save him when Vietnam decided to invade him. And thank Lenin that Vietnam invaded him.
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Shiki-Scarlet Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Sadly anti communists will continue to list him as an example, hell some even use Hitler as well. Lets just say the empire of Japan in WW2 where communists as well! Julius Caesar was also a communist and killed 200 trillion people under socialist Rome.

You know who else? The Mexican drug cartels, there communist as well!
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